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High school bowling needs someone to step up

Posted by on Tuesday, April 15, 2008 (EST)

By Mike Pettinella
Batavia (N.Y.) Daily News Columnist
mikepett2002@yahoo.com
April 15, 2008
            In last week’s column, in question-and-answer format, Paul Spiotta, Genesee Region United States Bowling Congress president, talked about the need for member involvement to enhance communication throughout the four-county association and looked forward to the reinstitution of the Hall of Fame and scholarship for a graduating senior girl.
            This week (the final part of the two-part interview), he answers questions pertaining to high school bowling, tournament eligibility and Sport Bowling – and offers a call for unity on a statewide level.
            Q. Seeing the success of high school bowling in the Rochester area, what is the status of high school bowling, either on an intramural or interscholastic level, in the Genesee Region? It is common knowledge that there is money set aside for youth bowling.
            A. The current status of this is pretty much the same as it was last year. I personally have discussed the possibility of high school bowling at a couple of local high schools with the athletic directors, and each of the athletic directors pretty much provided the same response – a request would have to be made to the board of education and the biggest hurdle to be overcome would be the cost of travel, particularly if they had to have their program travel to Rochester to participate.
            I think the intent would be to try and set up something more locally in this region, covering the counties that are outside of Monroe County – Genesee , Wyoming , Livingston and possibly Orleans .  See if we can get our own group going here … But I think what is definitely needed now to push this on to the next level is an individual or two – or a group – that can spearhead this effort.
            I don’t necessarily know, there really hasn’t been anybody on the board that seems to be willing to step up and take this to the next level – and I think that’s what’s required to make this a reality.  And I don’t know who that person would be.  But there definitely needs to be somebody who has an interest in getting this off the ground; take it under their wing and reach out to see what can be done.
            With respect to the money, as you know, prior to the dissolution of the Batavia Bowling Association board, we appropriated a fund of $10,000 in support of interscholastic bowling.
            Q. There doesn’t seem to be a push to promote women’s tournaments or events.  Is this just my perception or is that a concern of yours?
            A. We do sponsor the Gladys Ford senior tournament as well as the women’s association tournament, which is a separate part of the open association tournament.  I can say that during the 2006-07 season, the board discussed the establishment of an association Queens-type tournament for women. We actually had it scheduled; it was going to be at Livingston Lanes in Geneseo, but plans fell through at the last minute and nothing has been pursued this year.  Personally, I’m all for a prestigious women’s tournament in our association – whether it be scratch or handicap – but we do need someone to get behind the effort and drive it to reality.
             Q. Some association bowlers would like to see the Batavia Masters opened to all bowlers in the association, not just to some that bowl at halls that were in the old BBA.  How to you respond to that line of thinking?
            A. In my opinion, the GRUSBC Memorial Scratch Tournament is now what bowlers need to consider as the tournament with the most prestige.  The purpose of the Memorial Scratch Tournament was to replace the Perry scratch singles and the Batavia Bowling Association Masters tournament as the premier event in the association. We sponsor the event and we plan to rotate it across the association centers from year to year. Obviously, it’s only two years old and still needs to establish its own tradition, but it’s off to a great start with over 100 entries each of its first two years.
            Admittedly I was puzzled when approached about the bowler concerns regarding the fact that the Batavia Masters was only open to bowlers who bowl in Batavia , Le Roy, Oakfield and Albion . I tried to explain to them that the Memorial was now the association scratch singles event replacing the Masters and the Perry scratch tournament but apparently I was not too convincing.
            People also need to understand that the Batavia Masters is not financially sponsored by the Genesee Region USBC.  As you know from being on the BBA board prior to its dissolution, we understood the tradition of the Masters was something we did not want to lose.  Thus we voted that a certain amount of money be set aside to continue the tournament for years to come.
            I now consider the Batavia Masters to be no different from any house tournament that restricts bowlers from participating unless they bowl in that center, such as the Oakfield Masters. Additionally, I believe if we were to open up the Masters to the entire association it would take away the prestige that the Memorial tournament is trying to build.
            Q. I am a proponent of Sport or PBA Experience leagues to bring the challenge back to the sport on a regular basis.  What’s your opinion of this and would the association support a PBA Experience League in the GRUSBC?
            A. Without question, the board would support a sport league or PBA Experience league, fully understanding that a very small percentage of our membership would be interested in participating.
            Obviously, there is a separate certification fee that bowlers would have to pay, and I was also thinking that those who would definitely be serious in being a competitive bowler within this situation would also have to consider themselves with any additional financial costs it would take to get the right equipment drilled.  Obviously, you’d have to put in more practice and preferably it would be on that type of (lane) condition. If you were to go to a hall on a weekend, and wanted to practice on that condition, you’d have to make sure the manager is okay that they lay out that kind of condition. 
             Q. It was announced that beginning next season, adult and youth honor score awards in regular (non-sport or non-PBA Experience) leagues will become once-in-a-lifetime awards.  For example, if someone rolls a 300 game, he or she will receive an award just once.  With awards being part of league bowling’s long tradition, is this a good move?
            A. I totally agree (that this is not a good move) and, based on what I’ve read, I think others agree as well because this has been put on hold.  This whole concept of providing only “once-in-a-lifetime” awards has been put on hold until further notice.
            Q. In closing, is there anything else you would like to comment about?
            A. I definitely think that the New York State associations are doing a disservice to the bowlers by not merging.  There are at least three conventions that we now have to attend – the men’s convention, the women’s convention and possibly the youth convention – solely on the fact that at this point in time the New York State men, women and youth are not in a merged status.
            There really has to be something done about that.  The only reasons I can think of that it hasn’t happened are that you have financial reasons and possibly egos standing in the way.
            (Mike Pettinella’s Pin Points bowling column appears every Thursday during the bowling season.  If you have an item of interest for his column, please contact him at mikepett2002@yahoo.com or at 343-3736 or by mail at 55 Edgewood Drive ,

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New York State Associations
By BJKBOWL on Tuesday, April 15, 2008 (EST)
I would like to clarify that two years ago in May, I attended a transition meeting in Syracuse when I attended the Youth Meeting. The Men, Women and Youth transition group voted to merge. These were people picked from their organizations to work on merging. When the Men took that back to their organization, one man said "not going to happen,and it didn't. It has always amazed me that this one person could have the say of a whole organization of people and no one said a word. So two years later we are still limping along like a wagon with a broken wheel. Barbara Kreiley Second V.P NYSWBA

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masters
By the one on Tuesday, April 15, 2008 (EST)

 I dont see how you can compare your masters to the one in oakfield. In oakfield you have to bowl 3 games to be able to compete in it  Even if the memorial tournament is the new tournament with prestige all the centers  are able to bowl but when it comes to the batavia masters only  4  halls are allowed to bowl thats not right. So what you are saying is that if i come and bowl 3 games in either leroy, batavia, albion , or oakfield i will be able to bowl in the masters . probably not . wether or not you have put money aside to run this tournament for years to come. this is one association not two. This association is spread out so far that having two tournaments with  different format options wouldn't be so bad whats the worst thing that could happen its more competive and your entries go up and the money you have put aside goes longer so it it can run for many more years beyond what you have planned for. I encourage you to take a look at this further . the association wants bowlers to come out and partcipate but we cant when were not allowed. If anyone else feels this way please respond

scott prince

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batavia masters
By arniet on Tuesday, April 15, 2008 (EST)

This issue of a batavia masters open only to 4 halls and the memmorial tourny applied to all halls is a double edge sword. Little do people realize that the oringinal (perry scratch tourny) has always had a big turn out and contiues to do so with limited attendence from people from batavia, but they are asked to come to this tourny. But on the other hand only a sellect few are ask to attend the batavia masters. It seem to me that the new association has benifited from what the old perry association has had in place for years. That to me is what the merger was all about. How about the old BBA. start stepping up and adding some thing to this new association. It isn't just about the money that each association has put in, but it is about the ideas and what works and the merger of old with the new for a greater good for all not just a sellect few halls. If some has a tourny or and idea it should apply to all of the bowlers of the new association not just the same old few. By holding a tourny that excludes most of the GRUSBC MEMBERS  to me defeats the idea of a unified association of the GVUSBC.

   arnie t   past president of the PBA

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Get over it PBA
By sprincesucks on Wednesday, April 16, 2008 (EST)
Would you guys from the past Perry associations please get over the fact that Batavia has a tournament that they retained from the old association days.  This does not hurt the new merged association in any way.  This, as was the Perry masters has been an important tourney to those from the area and after being forced to merge this is the only thing we have to hold on to from the “good old bowling days”  The new scratch event each year is now the real top singles event in the merged association.  Anyhow, Scott, on a positive note this is a tournament that you can not miss the cut in and just contribute to the prize fund so look at it as you cashed for $35. and never had to bowl.  For those of you that wonder why Batavia bowlers do not participate in events within the Perry halls all I can say to that is CAL-BOWL!!  Very nice representation for this years association tournament.

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get over it
By arniet on Thursday, April 17, 2008 (EST)
I only have one comment on your little reply. Not any of the three associations was forced to merge!!!!! every association had  a chance to charter themselves without a merger. So if the BBA. wanted to hold tournys only alowing the old 4 halls to be able to bowl in it. WHY DID THEY EVEN AGREE TO MERGE IN THE FIRST PLACE?   Why didn't they charter themselves or go independent?

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ha
By the one on Thursday, April 17, 2008 (EST)
wow looks like i rubbed somebody pebbles the wrong way. Tell ya the truth i was only asking a question( mr. sucks). To use my name in vane shows real character and  childness. I dont really care who you are or what you think of me. this is a forum and i am entitled to my opinion and ask questions.  As for the bba masters it really dosent matter to me considering i will be able to bowl in it next year anyway ha. if i choose who knows maybe next year i might even make the cut  if not oh well 35 well spent .  well you all have a good night and enjoy at some point i look foward to a respone in regards to my question.

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ha
By the one on Thursday, April 17, 2008 (EST)
wow looks like i rubbed somebody pebbles the wrong way. Tell ya the truth i was only asking a question( mr. sucks). To use my name in vane shows real character and  childness. I dont really care who you are or what you think of me. this is a forum and i am entitled to my opinion and ask questions.  As for the bba masters it really dosent matter to me considering i will be able to bowl in it next year anyway ha. if i choose who knows maybe next year i might even make the cut  if not oh well 35 well spent .  well you all have a good night and enjoy at some point i look foward to a respone in regards to my question.

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A "world" divided can not stand
By mikep on Thursday, April 17, 2008 (EST)

As someone who is not afraid to present these issues, but also wants this new association to prosper, I urge everyone with strong opinions about this subject to try to understand both sides of the issue and possibly work together -- with the board -- to find an equitable solution.

Name calling isn't going to solve anything -- it will only serve to further divide the association and continue the “territorial” war.

We need to get to the point where the distance from Albion to Letchworth or Bennington to Le Roy is of no concern.  GRUSBC directors, all of them not just some, need to take their responsibility seriously; bowling center proprietors need to provide quality customer service and lane maintenance, and the bowlers need to think beyond themselves (not an easy task).

People from Wyoming and Livingston counties are interested in joining a PBA Experience or Sport Condition league in Batavia; that's a good thing.  A group of bowlers from the Batavia/Oakfield area travel to tournaments in the other counties, and a larger group of bowlers from Warsaw/Geneseo/Mount Morris travel to tournaments in Genesee and Orleans.

In my opinion, the GRUSBC must either sponsor -- or promote -- tournaments and leagues for all ages to attract the greatest number of bowlers possible.

Mike P.

 

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mike
By the one on Thursday, April 17, 2008 (EST)

in no way was my intention to start what this is becoming i felt the need to ask a simple question and receive a simple answer. I am one of the bigger promoters for this pba experience league and you know this from the conversations we have had on the other hand i  also believe anything tournament run in this association from the memorial tournament to the masters should be open to anybody that would like to bowl unless its restricted to the house that is running it like the oakfield masters. It just seems to me that since this merger has taken place there is still the feel of two seperate associations even though they are one. Thats all

scott

 

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